- Born: Abt 1175, Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England
- Married: No Marriage 2725
I used to have Agatha de Ferrers as mistress of John, and mother of Joan. She may still be a mistress of John, but apparently not a mother of Joan, as the post to SGM, 16 Nov 2001, by William Addams Reitwiesner, indicates:
From: William Addams Reitwiesner (reitwiesner AT stop.mail-abuse.org)
Subject: Re: Joan of Wales
Date: 2001-11-16 02:08:01 PST
WOOD_CE AT MSN.COM (CE Wood) wrote:
>I posted this in reply to Douglas' original post, but never got an
>answer when things devolved into naming.
>Can someone help me, please?
>I have this in my notes of Joan, and wonder if it is outdated:
>"One source for the speculation that Agatha Ferrers was Joan's mother
>is Sir William Dugdale, in The Baronage of England (1675-6). He states
>his source to be Dr David Powel's History of Wales (1584). Powel's
>work is an enlarged edition of H Lhoyd's translation of The Historie
>of Cambria by the twelfth century Saint Caradoc of Llancarfan."
>Is Clemence now regarded as Joan's mother, rather than Agatha?
The identity of Joan's mother is unknown. Agatha Ferrers is a nice guess, but is unsupported by contemporary evidence. The only time Joan's mother is mentioned by name is in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is called "Queen Clementia". Is this a different name for Agatha Ferrers? Possibly, but not likely.
Should you take "Agatha Ferrers" out of your charts? Probably. What I would do is replace her with "Clementia, otherwise unidentified", and include a large footnote with all of the speculative identities for her, including Agatha Ferrers. Doug Richardson, taking "Clementia" as a name and not an epithet, has come up with some plausible, but not conclusive, evidence of who she might be (see other recent threads in this group).
If you want a definitive answer for who Joan's mother was, I don't think you'll get one any time soon. 2725
Agatha married John "Lackland" PLANTAGENET King of England, Earl of Cornwall, son of Henry II "Curmantle" PLANTAGENET King of England and Eléonore D' AQUITAINE Duchesse d' Aquitane, Comtesse de Poitou, in No Marriage 2725. (John "Lackland" PLANTAGENET King of England, Earl of Cornwall was born on 24 Dec 1166 in Kings Manor House, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England 808,1202,1651,3682,3683, died on 19 Oct 1216 in Newark, Nottinghamshire, England 808,1056,1202,1651,3682,3683 and was buried in 1216 in Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England 797,1056,1202.) The cause of his death was dysentry.